Hiring for Good is a podcast exploring the transformative power of leadership and what happens when the right person takes the job. Thank you for tuning in to this episode with our guest Rena Whittaker, the President & Founder of BeingTribal.
Rena Whittaker’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rena-whittaker-60931b10/
BeingTribal Website: https://beingtribal.com
About Rena Whittaker: Rena Whittaker is the Founder and President of BeingTribal, a compassionate truth teller, and a convener of passionate leaders. As a keynote speaker and author, she is an expert in cultivating personal and professional T.R.I.B.A.L. transformation—fostering trust, respect, investment, belonging, accountability, and leadership. With over 20 years of experience as an Executive Director in healthcare philanthropy, Rena has successfully raised millions of dollars for impactful causes through the support of generous donors and investors. Her mission is to guide individuals and organizations to transform through authentic connection and empowered leadership. Rena is passionate about helping people create meaningful tribes that foster growth, success, and deep, lasting change.
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Hiring for Good Transcript
0:00 today we have the pleasure of welcoming Rena Whitaker to Hiring for Good Rena is a powerhouse in corporate and
0:06 nonprofit leadership with over two decades of experience driving impactful change in healthcare philanthropy and
0:12 organizational development as the founder and president of Being Tribal she’s a sought-after keynote speaker
0:19 author and expert in cultivating personal and professional transformation through her tribal leadership framework
0:25 Rena has led multi-million dollar fundraising initiatives served as executive director for major healthcare
0:31 foundations and advised organizations on rebuilding high performing teams with trust respect and accountability at
0:37 their core her passion for bringing people together combined with her expertise in leadership and philanthropy
0:44 makes her an inspiring force for change Rena welcome thank you so much Tanis
0:49 i’m going to take you on the road with me after that well it’s easy to write about um
0:55 interesting people doing amazing work suzanne and I are really excited to have you as our guest i think you know when
1:02 we when we start our interviews we always ask uh our guests to just kind of
1:07 discuss how they got where they are today um and kind of the the the journey
1:15 that they took so if you don’t mind we’d love to hear a little bit about your background yes i had the pleasure of
1:22 serving at um urban and rural foundations for about 24 years and while
1:28 I was at Legacy and I’d been coaching women and men individually for about I
1:33 would say 12 years solid i wasn’t getting paid for it it was just part of my community building work because I
1:38 loved building coalitions and in that time I decided I was going to write a book around um the success
1:47 of being the best leader you possibly could be and what I learned in listening
1:52 through all those years of coaching and looking at client success was you really need to have a team of folks that are
1:59 rooting you on that kept you out of your top 40 playlist of what I’m not in your head and reminded you of what your what
2:08 your divine gifts are and what you’re supposed to be doing your life and so I started like documenting what does a
2:15 tribe look like and I you know I my family is Chinook Indian and Italian so
2:21 I was going back to my Chinook Indian roots about what tribal means um and
2:26 then looking at my family the generations of families of how families
2:31 are tribes since your first tribe that you have and starting to think about what does it mean to be tribal and what
2:36 is success in tribal and so while I was uh at my career at Legacy where I
2:42 finished up the last 10 years of fundraising I had this voice on my head just write it just write it just write
2:49 it so I finally wrote my book um I had to really become vulnerable in that
2:54 process which was scary and we may talk about that today uh and after I wrote it
3:00 and launched it and I was actually doing this work of being tribal and speaking to groups is when I heard the voice in
3:08 the midst of the pandemic just leave just leave like do your business do your business so I really launched being
3:16 tribal as my business business in 2019 and fully left my career in 2020 wow
3:24 what a leap of faith and you talked about that vulnerability and formative
3:29 learnings it I I would like to hear more about that because it’s hard to really
3:36 open up and show who you are so one of the things I just started to do in my keynote was
3:44 ask what three words would be impactful for
3:49 you to really take that leap of faith and it isn’t what you might think it
3:56 isn’t like uh believe in yourself or something like that my three words are
4:03 buck ass naked. Ooo. And I know that sounds like what kind of
4:10 podcast is this going to be with this woman Rena um while I was writing my
4:15 book I met with one of my very good friends went to high school with Brian
4:20 Hillyard who’s married to Ariel Ford a really well-known author they both did some uh public publicity work with
4:28 Deepak Chopra they had been in the book business for a long time she went to high school with Brian and she actually said “Hey I really want you to
4:35 read Rena’s book.” By that time it was kind of a workbook and um I thought I
4:41 was really on to something and so she sent it down to him and he said “I’m really interested about this tribal
4:47 thing but I want to know more about Rena.” And in at that time I didn’t talk about myself in the book i talked
4:54 about I had a hard childhood in a loving family but a really hard childhood and I
4:59 wasn’t going to say anything else so we got on Skype dating myself got on Skype and
5:06 Brian said “I really want to know about you Rena i really want to know what happened to you.” If you’re asking these
5:12 folks to be vulnerable and really live into their true calling that God’s
5:18 calling them to be their divine gifts all those things you have to be vulnerable first and I said “Well I’m not going to do that.” He said “Well I’m
5:25 I’m asking you to be emotionally naked and tell your story.” And I said “I’m not going to do that i’m not going to tell my story and he said “Well then
5:32 don’t write the book.” Wow and so I was I was a little angry with him and he
5:38 kept on saying “What’s your story what’s your story?” And so finally I said “And I you know I raised millions of dollars
5:43 from high net folks who wanted to make a difference in the world.” And I was afraid of what people would think and I
5:49 I was afraid what my family and my children especially would think not everyone in your life knew all of
5:55 your backstory or my sisters knew and my parents knew i told them when I was 21
6:01 uh no one else knew wow i kept that secret because I really was I felt
6:09 somehow responsible for what happened so as Brian’s kind of pressing
6:14 me what happened i said “Uh fine you want to know what happened?” when
6:20 between the ages of three and six years old my uh family friend molested me and traded me to other men for sex and I
6:28 didn’t tell anyone because um I felt rotted out inside and there are so many times growing up that I just wanted to
6:33 end my life and kill myself and God kept on entering my life and now I understand
6:39 that we all have divine gifts and I love who I am today but that’s no one’s business because what I was really
6:44 thinking is there’s no way I’m going to tell my children who were in college or high school
6:50 what happened because for some reason I thought it was going to shame them
6:55 so funny how how we project on you know it’s our insecurities projecting onto
7:01 our kids so we sat across the dining room table that I still owed today my son being 6’2 and
7:09 about 260 and my daughter being a high school senior and I held their hands
7:14 across the table and said “I’m going to share with you something that might
7:21 embarrass you but I’m going to put it in the book.” This man who I respect a lot told me to get emotionally naked and I’m
7:28 not asking permission about you letting me put it in the book i’m just saying I’m going to do it and so I gave them a
7:36 very high level i’m holding hands with them you know my son’s at one end of the table and my daughter’s across from me
7:42 and I’m holding their hands and I tell them what happened and I’m crying i can
7:48 barely get the words out and my daughter is crying because they don’t know this about me and my son is crying and with
7:54 his big powerful hands he puts it on all of our hands and says “Mom get buck ass
8:00 naked because you may save someone’s life.” And that allowed me the freedom
8:07 to be able to say “I’m going to be who I am.” And I’m going to tell my story at the beginning of the book because I want
8:14 everyone to know that no matter what happens in your life no matter where you come from no matter what you experienced
8:20 you are divinely created and you have these amazing gifts to shine your light onto the world our responsibility is to
8:30 is to shine our light and share our gifts and change the world and so that
8:35 is what I truly believe about being tribal doesn’t matter where you came from it’s matter it matters what you’re
8:42 going to do about it right now in this life as a you know as a nonprofit leader you’re also kind of working in the
8:49 community so so there’s you know how do you operationalize values in in in those
8:55 two frameworks I guess thank you the the framework of being tribal begins with trust trust is the foundation of it so
9:01 tribal is an acronym trust respect investment belonging accountability and leadership it’s kind
9:07 of an upward spiral what I learned not only building coalitions and communities when I was
9:13 working at rural foundations in relationships with other leaders and in my own life if you do not have trust in
9:20 your team right if you don’t have self trust do what you say you’re going to
9:25 do um have communicated expectations show up and uh be
9:32 vulnerable and I this is a new process we’re going to bring into the organization and we don’t quite know how
9:37 to do it but we’re going to do collaboratively telling the truth all those things are very important in building trust right how do you feel how
9:45 do you feel about selfrust and how do you build trust in the organization it doesn’t matter how fantastic your organization is or what widgets you
9:52 produce if you do not have trust on your team your team is not going to feel safe
9:58 and being safe in a work environment is critically important to our success and
10:04 above that trust is respect i always kind of uh talk about it being like the
10:10 12 days of Christmas right you have to stack upon each other respect is all about
10:15 boundaries it’s about communicating expectations for instance if you have an
10:20 organization that operates between like 7:00 a.m and uh excuse me 9:00 a.m and 5:00 p.m you may say emails before 7 a.m
10:28 or after 7 p.m are not allowed or we don’t send emails over the weekend you ha the this boundaries is about how we
10:36 communicate the type of words we use and the kindness we exude as well as the
10:41 time frame and as well as how we hold what we will allow and not allow in our
10:47 work environment because what you permit you promote right so team agreements things like that those kinds of uh
10:53 processes that I use as a framework in respect investment is something that I
10:58 remind leaders before they come into work and with their teams what you read
11:04 what you listen to and what you watch inform how your day is going to look like and feel like what you share
11:12 with your team are you investing in uh instructional videos or play days right
11:18 where you have your team do vision boards or they go and volunteer at someone else’s organization how are you
11:24 investing in that time how are you investing in perks for employees how are
11:29 you investing in health benefits how are you so it really is not only getting your own vibe right as a leader and
11:36 making sure that you’re investing in yourself to show up in your very best self at work um prayer meditation
11:44 journaling all those things that center yourself before because the energy from which you create informs the energy of
11:50 what you create right it’s really important and then belonging which is what I’m talking a lot about this year
11:57 is how do you create this know me care for me and ease my way mentality like
12:02 know your team and care for them understand who they are how do you not only have self- belonging and and being
12:09 really self-acceptant of our bodies our minds
12:15 our gifts women are really hard on ourselves about this um but how do you create belonging in the team how do you
12:22 say I want to know more about you like what makes you light up in life knowing folks stories and having
12:30 this uh woven fabric of um celebration about the things you’re accomplishing
12:37 accountability i love to work in uh 90-day plans and I have a whole framework that I speak to teams about
12:43 like let’s look at instead of planning a whole year out and we I learned this in
12:48 healthcare how do you know what your big goals are and how are you going to focus at them not only one day at a time one week at a
12:54 time one month at a time but a 90-day plan and then leadership is recognizing
13:00 what your divine gifts are your divine calling is and how you implement them to
13:05 have joy in the work you do to have ease and grace in the work you do and amplify
13:11 the rest of your team’s gifts as well so that’s leadership that’s kind of the tribal framework that I work within and
13:17 then I break it down some teams I work with they just want to focus on trust and respect because their team has gone
13:22 through big changes and other teams are high performing teams but they want to focus on investment and accountability
13:29 and leadership so it depends on plugand play what a team needs
13:35 and I what I think is going to raise the energy of a team and create this really
13:41 wonderful group of leaders who see each other who recognize care for each other
13:47 and um are holding each other in a way because work you know work is hard we’ve learned that if we don’t have each other
13:55 in a work environment because we’re with each other so much if we don’t recognize each other and are kind and
14:00 compassionate and empathetic then the work that we do doesn’t um fulfill the
14:06 need of the employees and then you have folks that are leaving an organization you don’t have high retention and and
14:13 you mentioned something and I just want to kind of dig down a little bit belonging mhm you said you’re doing a
14:19 lot on belonging today why why do you think that is
14:25 it’s a funny thing about separating human beings right we need each other
14:31 and during the pandemic what did we do we separated each from each other families didn’t see each other our team
14:37 members were on Zoom and a lot of folks have kept virtual teams instead of coming back together for a variety of
14:44 different meeting uh reasons creating a sense of belonging is so important
14:50 because first of all we have to believe that we’re part of something bigger than ourselves we have to believe that we can
14:56 be owners of a mission and owners of a tribe so to speak owners of a team and
15:02 that even if we disagree right there’s been a lot of that phone calls arena our team meeting
15:11 just exploded because someone was talking about politics and now we have team members not speaking to each
15:17 other belonging is so critical because it’s what we have in common and what are
15:23 we doing together to fulfill the mission and how is that mission actually creating a
15:30 sense of belonging for oursel that we’re part of something bigger than that there’s a great book out there called
15:35 Dream Manager and if you haven’t read it I highly recommend it it’s about knowing what your team’s dreams are and how you
15:40 can help them fulfill it it’s uh several years old i think it’s like 10 or 15 years old but it’s a great book
15:46 belonging is critical that’s part of retention i know folks that have left their
15:54 companies for le make to make less money because they want to have a sense of belonging someplace else that’s Yeah how
16:01 how do you so so just curious like how do you operationalize belonging yeah you know what what tools do you give the
16:08 companies that you’re counseling what have you implemented in your own roles as a leader to to create um that feeling
16:16 I encourage organizations to do group activities right like for instance there
16:23 is an insurance company that I work with and they have offices in seven different several different cities but they gather
16:30 together once a year and they do uh at a the outside ery and they just spend time
16:35 eating together another organization has offices across the state will gather together and all volunteer for another
16:42 organization they do vision board parties together they encourage small
16:47 group gatherings of folks that live in the same city um this is also important for nonprofit boards when I was leading
16:55 at Legacy I would always encourage my board members to I would assign them to
17:00 two or three different new board members or current board members to gather for coffee and talk about what’s going on as
17:06 a board leader and what do they want the foundation to um focus on like a small
17:14 group meeting but it’s just spending time with each other and how are you doing how’s your day going what’s going
17:20 on in your life how’s your children how is your um do you have any big trips
17:25 planned just getting to know each other we think productivity is the key to
17:32 success in especially in this country and what is really key is you can be a
17:38 high producer but if you don’t feel like you’re part of a team or if you feel like no one knows who you are then
17:44 that’s going to destroy the fabric of your organization so gathering together
17:49 having fun being joyful so I have a list of different events that they can do or
17:54 gathering and I ask them sit down with your teams have you asked them what they want to do or what would be something
18:00 fun to do together or be of service together i love that and so so kind of
18:06 taking a step back it makes me want to ask about characteristics when you’ve
18:12 hired how do you build how did you build your teams and were there any like
18:17 characteristics specifically you looked for in individuals and if there were
18:25 why well I’m a I love CVI i don’t know if you’ve heard of core value index
18:30 right there’s a couple other personality indexes that I have um looked at but
18:38 really it just I know this is going to sound kind of silly it’s really about the vibe of someone right does my energy
18:46 recognize your energy because technically unless you’re a surgeon or you’re performing some you
18:52 know or an architect or an engineer right you don’t want the building to fall down uh it really is about fit
19:00 do we have the same um let me put it this way have you ever been around
19:07 individuals who just give you energy like you’re talking to them and you’re exchanging ideas and you feel like “Oh
19:13 my cup is full.” Right and at the same time have you been around individuals that just take your
19:19 energy right um nervous Nelly very upset very
19:25 frustrated um uh everything’s negative i playing the devil’s advocate o over and over and
19:33 over too much it’s great to be critical but or be analytical um I think that’s
19:38 just as important as recognizing what your core values are like on my website there’s downloadables and I have one
19:44 called a core values um exercise and you figure out what are your core values as
19:50 a leader what are the core values of your team what do you have in common um you can have folks that have different
19:55 political backgrounds and different faith backgrounds right but if you have similar core values that’s the fabric
20:01 that is a mag the magnetism that draws you together and creates that common ground that’s so critical yeah you were
20:08 speaking our language so I just say yeah we talk so much about fit in what we do
20:13 because skills you can teach it’s that alignment of goals and values that
20:21 really when it’s aligned it’s amazing what teams can do and how many teams
20:27 spend time really spend time identifying not only the leader core values but the
20:33 team’s core values how many of them do that because we can all have different personality traits we can be introverts
20:39 and extroverts and all the ESTJM whatever they are right um but the core
20:46 values is really our humanity and that’s key to our success we talk
20:51 about these lived experiences right and you’ve had incredible lived experiences and you’ve overcome them and even that
21:00 has shaped who you are today and I think recognizing that and being aware of yes
21:07 this horrible thing happened but it really on who you are today and it’s
21:12 pretty again inspiring and inspirational and I’m just going to say buckass naked
21:19 you know thank you i um the universe God whatever you believe in gives you
21:25 opportunities to connect your past to your future so when I first started out in fundraising my first campaign that I
21:32 had to kind of lean into was for um the Children’s Center of Clackamus County i
21:38 had to raise money with from donors and talk about child abuse that wasn’t my
21:43 plan no one knew my history but the universe gave me an opportunity to step
21:49 into that and I got to sit at a table this is healing i got to sit at a table with individuals who didn’t know my my
21:54 history both men and women who shared about the soccer coach who molested them or and that’s why they’re making a gift
22:00 or the uncle who molested them and I just sat and held space for them right they had no idea that they were healing
22:06 me because I was not alone so the universe gives you opportunities to step into the future to not only take your
22:13 wisdom and gifts to propel a mission forward um and we also take this
22:21 thermometer that we say “Oh my her experience was harder than my experience
22:26 or his experience was harder than my experience.” Right no your greatest joy
22:32 your greatest moment in your life is the same as my greatest moment in my life your worst moment in your life was the
22:37 same as my worst moment in my life yeah we’re human beings and we’re divinely
22:42 created um with such complex opportunities to rise and fall and we
22:48 just have to make the choice because the universe God they’re rooting for you when you were in your first professional
22:55 role and here you were sitting at a table with survivors of child
23:01 abuse did you recognize at that moment that this was an opportunity for healing
23:07 or were you kind of like how in the world is this happening and later you rec how how did that work like in your
23:14 brain i’m going to go back a step further to be a successful fundraiser for this campaign because my boss had just left
23:20 and they were looking for a new boss for me i had to go sit with a gentleman um
23:25 Kevin Dowling who ran Cares Northwest for 28 years and he’s now working for the um I think a federal uh policy
23:34 around child abuse amazing man Kevin Dowling if you’re listening I adore you i like oh my gosh praise him um I had to
23:42 go to Cares Northwest behind a um glass window right and watch an interview of a
23:47 child who had been molested because Cares Northwest is this multi
23:53 multidisciplinary interview so children don’t have to go on a stand and tell their story over and over again right so
24:00 and I um they were doing a swab of a child uh because they had strep throat
24:06 so they and I was asking are the child sick and they said no they’re looking for semen samples in this little boy’s
24:12 throat um and so that was the moment that I I like went outside after that i
24:18 had to step away i went out to my car and sat and like screamed a little bit and said “God why are you putting me in
24:23 this position?” And I I kind of felt that um uh you’re not alone like you’re
24:29 not alone you’re not alone and so I had already had that mindset of um when I
24:35 was talking to these very successful adults who could give big gifts right watching them become little children in
24:41 front of me sharing their story and thinking “Oh this is how healing happens.” That we’re all the same wow
24:48 that that’s powerful and again I think both Tannis and I are like tearing up i
24:54 mean that is be because somewhere we we’ve seen it ourselves and whether it’s
25:01 personally or somebody we’ve known it is and I think it’s amazing we’ve been
25:07 doing Hiring for Good podcast for a year and four women CEOs strong leaders in
25:14 our communities have talked about either sexual abuse or physical abuse and it’s
25:21 more prevalent than I think people realize because they look at you and you go “Good God Rena has her together
25:28 she is you know you’re doing national speaking you have a book you have a very
25:34 successful consulting practice it’s more prevalent than people realize it’s very prevalent for men as
25:41 well but they don’t speak out about it as much and I’m hoping that’s going to change and um we are all the same like we are all
25:49 human beings just trying to survive and find our way forward and I I believe that my soul chose this
26:00 life mhm i chose my parents i chose my alcoholic father i chose all of who’s
26:05 turning 88 today by the way I I adore him he’s got like 48 years clean and sober um we chose I chose this life i
26:14 chose to walk through what I experienced so I could do the work on the back end right and it gave me better comp more
26:20 compassion because I can be I could be as you know look at me I’ve got my stuff
26:26 together and then I I have to humble myself and say oh girl remember that time when you thought if I could just
26:33 drive into this boulder when I was 17 I can make everyone’s life a lot better so I have to be super humble and realize
26:40 that we are all human beings we’re all the same doesn’t matter what we look like on the outside we are all a child
26:47 becoming an adult uh trying to make a difference in the world what advice
26:52 would you give to your 20-year-old self boy that was a hard year um I was in
26:57 college i was the first girl to go to college in my family um
27:04 uh my mom my mom didn’t know what had happened at that point in time i didn’t tell them till I was 21 out of school
27:11 mhm and she worked for the city of Wilsonville and she bought me a cassette
27:16 tape from Jack Canfield um um called Self-Esteem and Peak Performance it was
27:23 a um I’m trying to think of the name of the conference but he spoke all over the
27:28 country and I got to meet him and talk about my story which was really lovely um but I was at 20 listening to I
27:36 actually broke the cassette tapes because I listened to them over and over and over again
27:41 that was when light started to enter my life um what I would say to myself is
27:50 um no one’s going to care or think bad of you for what
27:55 happened to you as a child and even though you were told as a very little girl um this is I that I did it right
28:04 this is my fault and no one’s and everyone’s going to leave you if they find out what you did right all right my
28:09 perpetrator’s telling me this um no one’s going to care no one’s
28:15 going to care we think that we’re going to get judged or people are going to judge us and I would I wish I would have
28:21 known back then that I could be bolder that I didn’t have to be um so
28:27 afraid all the time, yeah um that’s do
28:33 you today still fight that fear not as much as I used to i mean my
28:39 husband and I um have a blended family i have six adult children and 11 grandchildren wow so I got off the plane
28:46 from Virginia came home my daughter and her husband uh soon to be husband picked
28:51 me up and I got to play with my uh almost six-month old grandson right which always redeems me um there are
28:58 times I have self-doubt i’m still building my business i’m not a multi-millionaire you know i am hustling
29:03 still i’m still building my business i get to work with amazing nonprofits like the contingent who are recruiting foster
29:10 families and recruiting ch which is why I do it recruiting children who are often in really bad situations so I’m
29:17 you know I uh I feel like that’s part of my golden thread of of giving back
29:23 um but of course I have self-doubt of course I think uh who am I of course I
29:29 do right who am I and then I then I pray and I meditate and I hear the voice um
29:36 this is what you’re meant to do don’t doubt me like don’t doubt me Rena don’t doubt me this is what you’re meant to do
29:42 just keep going it’s going to be okay trust me that’s amazing that is
29:48 so finish up and and just say you know this podcast is called Hiring for Good
29:54 and it has a lot of different meaning to different people so what does it mean to you
30:00 you know as a leader who had amazing teams um of me women and
30:06 men hiring for good uh the good means really um creating a culture of
30:12 empowerment and advancement without competition on your teams in this world and it’s um being a
30:21 ladder placer not a ladder puller especially for women right sometimes
30:27 there’s one seat at the table and they get there and they don’t want you know they’re the only woman at the table so I
30:34 think whether we’re men or women we need to be a ladder placer to elevate young
30:39 folks on up to new careers not a ladder puller right our time in leadership is
30:46 finite and it’s important for us to be the best leader we possibly can and hire
30:52 the best leaders we possibly can and build this resilience and belonging in our teams to create this a retention in
30:59 the future leaders of the organization like what’s your succession plan and I think that’s part of it i think that’s
31:04 part of it when I think hiring for good i don’t think it could be said any
31:09 better what a gift to have you with us thank you so much Rea i’m truly you were
31:14 talking at one point in um in your in our interview uh about being around
31:21 people who give you energy and I was like I’m experiencing it right now you know I was like yes anyway so thank you
31:29 very much thank you so much for sharing and showing your vulnerability that takes a lot of brave actions it’s a new
31:37 um it’s a new muscle I am exercising I wrote it in the book but when you get in
31:42 front of a stage in front of a bunch of people and you tell your story it’s a little different right because you don’t want to offend anyone um and saying
31:50 buckass naked is kind of cussing especially if it’s a conservative group however um I just want to thank you for
31:56 giving me this time I want to thank you for um listening to me and I hope that
32:02 anyone who’s listening who has ever felt like they are not worthy or their past
32:08 um has shadowed them that the there’s my grandmother used to say there’s a reason why the windshield is bigger than the
32:15 rearview mirror um shine your light share your gifts and change the world
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